Mining Bill Hearing Packed; Legitimacy Questioned

State Rep. Sandy Pasch (D-Whitefish Bay) questions a speaker at Wednesday's hearing in Hurley as other committee members listen.

[UPDATED] HURLEY — Nearly 300 people crowded into a conference room at the Hurley Inn on Wednesday to participate in a state committee hearing on the proposed mining bill. Lacking seating for everyone, the venue forced many other participants to stand and listen to the hearing from an adjacent room, where some people complained they could not easily hear the proceedings.

Some speakers questioned the legitimacy of the hearing, responding to news reports that the state assembly plans to vote on the bill as early as next week. Theron O'Connor, a Bayfield businessman, told a group of state legislators that they did not have enough time to make substantive changes to the bill.

“I see this as being essentially a charade,” O'Connor said. Members of the Committee on Jobs, Economy, and Small Business held the hearing only in response to a “public outcry” after initially failing to schedule a hearing on the bill in Northern Wisconsin, he said.

State Rep. Janet Bewley (D-Ashland) and Sen. Bob Jauch (D-Poplar) had scheduled a hearing on the bill for last week at the Ashland High School, but they canceled their hearing after Committee Chairwoman Mary Williams (R-Medford) announced last week the committee's plan to hold one in Hurley today.

Few speakers addressing the committee on Wednesday fully endorsed the mining bill, even while expressing support for the proposed iron ore mine in the Gogebic-Penokee Range.

Advocates of the proposed mine largely focused on a provision reducing by 50 percent local government's share of tax revenue generated from mining operations. Representatives from both the Ashland Area Development Corporation and the Ashland Business Alliance expressed similar complaints, calling for 100 percent of those funds to be distributed to local municipalities. The proposed bill calls for giving 50 percent to the state general fund.

Ashland Area Development Corporation Director Dale A. Kupczyk said tax revenue should go toward a variety of local uses, including property tax relief and economic development. Asked by Rep. Penny Bernard Schaber (D-Appleton) whether the bill met his standards, Kupczyk said, “Not all of it.”

Ashland Business Alliance representative Brian Matthys echoed Kupczyk's sentiment. “This area doesn't have a lot of income, a lot of money,” he said. “We need all those resources to come back to this area for roads, for infrastructure, to address any issues that come up with this mine.”

Both Rep. Klenke (R-Green Bay) and Rep. Mike Kuglitsch (R-New Berlin) repeatedly emphasized that the Flambeau mine in Ladysmith did not return 100 percent of mining tax revenues to local municipalities, returning instead only 60 percent.

“Now you realize that the last mine in the state of Wisconsin was a 60-40 split,” Kuglitsch told Jessica Bolich, a representative from the Hurley Chamber of Commerce. “It wasn't 100 percent.”

Some speakers did express complete support for the proposed mining bill, including State Treasurer Kurt Schuller. He refused to endorse giving 100 percent of mining tax revenue to local communities when pressed by Rep. Rep. Louis Molepske Jr. (D-Stevens Point), who asked Schuller whether he requested or supported the proposed 50 percent reduction.

Schuller said, “I think the community would fair very well under a 60-40 (split of tax revenue) or a 70-30.”

At the hearing, some of the bill's proponents said many people were confused about the proposed bill. Scott Manley, of the Wisconsin Manufacturers Commerce, said a lot of “misinformation” is circulating about the bill and denied that the bill would prevent the public from having a voice in the process of issuing mining permits. 

The proposed elimination of contested hearings, a legal avenue for the public to challenge the issuance of a mining permit, was addressed repeatedly at Wednesday's hearing. The bill's opponents portrayed contested hearings as an important safeguard against environmental degradation, while the bill's proponents argued that contested hearings were unnecessary.

Manley, director of environmental and energy policy, said the proposal to eliminate contested hearings would help to streamline the application process. But, he said, people can still file a lawsuit. “Anybody who doesn't like (a mining permit) decision can challenge that decision in circuit court,” Manley said.

A representative for an Iron County development group, Kelly Kline, also voiced support for the elimination of contested hearings, calling them redundant, costly, and time consuming.

Rep. Molepske defended the availability of contested hearings and said they provide a framework for allowing people to voice their objections. “Without the contested case there is no record for the court to begin the process of reviewing the case itself,” Molepske said.

Molepske also said both Minnesota and Michigan allow for contested hearings.

Updated to include additional details about Wednesday's hearing, including discussions on tax revenue from mining operations and contested hearings.

Permanate loss of natural wilderness

In the 1800's when President Thomas Jefferson wanted to buy from the French government the entire Mississippi drainge system including land all the way to the Rocky Mountains for a "few million dollars". The Federalists were totally against it claiming in effect --One thing the United States doesn't need is more Wilderness. "We are to give money of which we have to little, for land of which we already have to much"! Luckily, President Jefferson didn't listen to their short sighted thinking!! Compared to those days we have very little undeveloped wilderness left and unfortunately mining by its very nature and past history affects a very large area and permanently changes the landscape forever. Adding to the fact that it creates a very visible unsightly foot-print and potentially pollutes down stream drainage areas for a very long time. It is a decision that must not be decided by short sighted thinking!! When it becomes preservation of land verses jobs, jobs at the time seem more important so usually prevail. 200 years ago we had plenty of undeveloped land a short 100 years from now it will probably exist only in parks. The need for short term jobs wins!!!!

The Badger State

Wisconsin also derived it's nickname from the lead miners back in the 1800s. Prospectors would go out and dig into the sides of hills in Southern,WI, looking for lead, and live in these burrows through the winters, much like a badger.

Regarding mining is not

Regarding mining is not mining what helped create this State. The States Coat of Arms which is on our State flag contains depictions of 2 men. The one on the right is considered a miner. The Coat of Arms also has 13 lead ignots which represent the States Mineral Wealth. The State of WI has always had mining and it has been a big part of what we are about.

One or more members of this

One or more members of this committee seemed confident the GTAC could use the Ashland Oredock to ship the ore out, they even made reference to the "Oredockers" teams, yet they failed to realize THE OREDOCK HAS BEEN CONDEMMED AND BEING DEMOLISHED. These members are very insightful and very uninformed. We are in serious trouble.

Information

 

As I am not a person that listens to other peoples’ conjectures and opinions on anything and instead look for actual facts in making my own decisions, I have decided to post a few links that will possibly help to clear up some questions on the mining issues at hand.  The information was not hard to find but having had experience in permitting of Non-metallic mines I realize that maybe not everyone knows where to look or what to look for.  Even with providing these links there is still a ton of information to wade through but if it at least helps one person make a well informed decision, then this post will have done as I hoped.  As a note, in posting these links, I am not saying whether I approve of this mining project or not.  That’s my opinion and I will not push it on others.  One thing I will state, is that, in my opinion, the proposed mining bill cannot be looked at as the ultimate rule book of mining.  Yes, it is proposed to streamline the permitting process but it needs to be said that there are minimum Federal requirements set by the EPA that the State must meet or exceed. 

EPA Links:

Overview on mining

http://cfpub.epa.gov/npdes/indpermitting/mining.cfm

Clean Water Act

http://www.epa.gov/lawsregs/laws/cwa.html

Clean Air Act

http://www.epa.gov/lawsregs/topics/air.html

 

Army Corp. of Engineers:

Regulations and Guidance

http://www.usace.army.mil/Missions/CivilWorks/RegulatoryProgramandPermits/FederalRegulation.aspx

 

Wisconsin DNR:

Metallic Mining

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/aw/wm/mining/metallic/

Mining Information Sheets

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/aw/wm/mining/metallic/infosheets.htm

One interesting thing I found here, On the information sheet about Net Proceeds Tax is that provisions are set for funding of Local Mining Impact Committees and environmental monitoring. 

Rules, Regulations and Permitting

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/cs/licenses.htm

Waste and Storm Water Permitting

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/water/wm/ww/

http://dnr.wi.gov/runoff/stormwater.htm

Waterways and Wetlands

http://dnr.wi.gov/waterways/

Air

http://dnr.wi.gov/air/permits.html

 

For those of you who use some of this information I thank you.  I hope that maybe it answers some of your questions

Scott Coles

In response to Guest at 3:34

In response to Guest at 3:34 am, can you please cite in the legislation where it says water will be protected and wild rice will be protected? My reading of the bill actually deregulated the deposition of mining materials and allows for the infill of wetlands with mining debris. That does not sound like protection to me. If water flows through the debris, it will be carried (with all associated chemicals) downstream. In this case, downstream is north to Lake Superior and wetlands.

Guest at 3:43AM Would you

Guest at 3:43AM
Would you honestly want to live next to or downstrem of this proposed mine?
Would you want your children to be exposed to the supposed clean water that will come from the mine?
I agree we need jobs but at the cost of really doing some long term damage to the water in this area?
If you feel that the GTAC mine wont affect any of the natural resources then get the CEO and President to agree to move their families into this area ,live downstream of the mine ,raise their children and I will help them move in . Then we will be assured that the mine wont be polluting .Till then they really have no vested interest in doing things right ,do they?
I await your response to what you think they will do.

To the Guest posting at

To the Guest posting at 3:34am:

According to testimony at the hearing, mining is a threat to wild rice. A biologist early on in the hearing shared data about wild rice beds downstream from an iron ore mine in Minnesota. Much less wild rice grew there because of the sulfates in the water coming from the mine.

That's what I heard during the testimony, and that sound like wild rice will not be protected. I am not enflamed, and I feel mentally stable.

A responsible media outlet,

A responsible media outlet, which does not wish to see undue conflict between groups, would publish as much credible information as possible to calm the fears of those being inflamed to commit violence against others. Water will be protected, wild rice will be protected and to not publish information which supports this, is to further inflame those mentally unstable individuals who feel that their lives are being threatened by needed economic development.